Tani says: You want to trash me and what I say because I challenge YOU
   and I challenge ALL YOUR POPES. That's IT in a nutshell. Don't think
   you know what I'm "aware" of because I don't put it in a post that is
   designed to CHALLENGE and NOT blather forth the as-givens as if one
   has to say "dictatorship of the
   
   MIM3 replies: This is more subjectivist trash, indicative of a problem
   with solipsism, lapsed into repeatedly.
   
   Can you imagine anyone studying physics saying don't read and refute
   Einstein? Would Tani get away with saying not to study and refute
   Darwin? No, but she is all set to dump MELSM (Marx, Engels, Lenin,
   Stalin and Mao), especially Lenin on empirio-criticism and solipsism.
   
   She calls them "Popes," thus adopting Jesuit tactics against
   materialism.
   
   That's her EXCUSE for not being able to LEAD these COS circles of hers
   or others toward genuine materialism. One has to wonder if she has
   that INTENTION even or if the WHOLE POINT is to get on board with the
   militant materialists to set them against their own teachings with
   subjectivism. That's certainly what the Jesuits did to the
   Protestants.
   
   Then Tani says in the same post no less: "What the hell kind of
   PURITAN, ETHNICAL, DOGMATIC almost like xian fundies that won't side
   with other xians because of some QUIBBLE over one line of scripture
   ---- you won't side with other leftists on TRADITIONALLY LEFT ISSUES?"
   
   MIM3 replies: See, when you DUMP science and take up subjectivism and
   solipsism, you are going back to "TRADITION" in capital letters no
   less. That is ALL you have to go on, that and ignorance, which ends up
   being tradition.
   
   Tani says: imperialist but do you want something WORSE than that? Do
   you want fascism instead of clinton? Go ahead. BE PURISTS on this
   issue. I know you will. Have fun calling other Reds "white
   nationalists" while the REAL white nationalists are half way to total
   power here.
   
   MIM3 replies: but can you rebut mystic Nazis and reborn Christians
   with MORE subjectivism and solipsism? No, I think not. It's not as
   easy as allying with Clinton as the tail on the dog.
   
   Tani says: I do not understand you. Or I was mistaken about you all. I
   thought you were THINKERS, able to handle challenges,
   
   MIM3 replies: No, MIM is not just "THINKERS." We belong to a
   scientific COMMUNITY. We are not interested in having people INVENT
   new religions and new POPES the way COS does. That's where we get off
   the boat with the Hobbesians at COS; your own god stuff as we have
   gotten into already in this discussion group-- it's no good. Here is
   Tani resuscitating this idea, when I thought this group was BETTER
   than that. Before you come and criticize us, maybe you better finish
   with COS! Adam Smith, Hobbes, libertarianism, eugenics, each persyn a
   god-- you have a lot of work to do!
   
   We don't give a shit about being "new" or "thinkers" the way Tani
   means. We don't give a shit about being intellectuals. They invent
   things for their OWN interests. We will give credit to people in the
   past --- Marx, Darwin, Stalin, Einstein, Mao, etc. We don't have to be
   "new." We are happy to be UNITED.