[mim3 comments: The below came after Magistra Tani Jantsang branded
   MIM or at least mim3 enemy for not turning over a source on Lysenko
   that also talks about MEC. There was a few lengthy tirades from Tani
   on the subject.]
   
   replies to Tani [These written before I read "last one." See the
   problem with "private science" is that it invents reasons to brand
   enemies, which is the whole point of strife-torn religions on behalf
   of the ruling class as well. See now making a comment about a
   secondary reference on Lysenko becomes a reason for this persyn to
   brand enemy! Hah! If you can't see why MIM holds the line against
   solipsism by now, you are never going to see it. It leads to INFINITE
   Hobbessian division. For crying out loud, divide over something else,
   like opposing NAFTA or wanting better jobs for whitey like you have
   been crying. Solipsism is doomed. The word is out on COINTELPRO and
   ruling class tactics of creating division. The only question is
   whether the solipsists will take the species with them.]
   
   Wrong again, MIM has covered some of the struggle within the Church,
   and in more than one country. Right, fine to infiltrate IF you have
   the anti-klippoth vaccine. Otherwise, once again you pay the price.
   
   You know it's too bad you don't read Lenin, because you would know
   that MIM is also better than these other groups like PL for another
   reason. We understand what you are saying and some things Stalin had
   to do: PL and the Trots ONLY want reds to be straight-forward. They
   are infiltrated by the labor aristocracy and Christianity to MAKE US
   LOSE.
   
   If you could come up with the vaccine or nutritional injection to
   solve religion, then maybe TOD would be more important than mode of
   production (MOPs). Still, then the bourgeoisie would ALSO become more
   scientific on average and might pursue it's interests more
   effectively. Surely though, the proletariat has more to gain from such
   a bio solution.
   
   The thing about Egypt and TOS, obviously we don't give a shit about
   that, such a small circle with such delusional ideas. Too much theory,
   too easily could have been some other delusion. We ain't gonna give
   the TOD any points for that.
   
   "Perhaps what you DO NOT want to see is that little tiny seed that DID
   develop and GROW INTO the monster imperialism you see right under your
   noses now....because the only way to stop it would BE to pull it out
   by its roots and you can't do that, you don't even advocate that."
   
   OK, it says the same thing we are saying IF it turns out true that say
   an injection of nutrients is the straight away solution. Then it would
   just be a matter of biological materialism making a more important
   contribution than political science. Are you happy?
   
   But we have also said to you before that on this we may be more
   Lysenkoite than Granny. Look, it may be that focussing in on MOPs does
   MORE to alter biology than sitting around waiting for the
   anti-klippoth drug to appear. Go read *FASTING GIRLS.* See people's
   biology in anorexia changes for SOCIAL reasons. Could there be
   anything more persuasive than PREDICTING the willingness to DIE from
   self-imposed starvation from the MOP? Huh? Political economy trumps
   bio.
   
   Now sure if I were only saying people's internal body temperature goes
   down one degree from living in imperialist countries, well maybe so
   what? But if it turns out that there is a predictable pattern of DEATH
   confined to certain social groups, then why the hell do I need
   biological materialism for that?
   
   See and that is not even STARTING to fuck with your reasoning by
   talking about WHY the ruling class pharmaceuticals and medical
   profession WILL NOT be pursuing the solution to widespread brain
   damage. Let's look at what is holding them back! So once again, why
   TOD and not MOP?
   
   If we are saying the SAME thing Tani, then you should give up your
   role as challenger and work within MOP, because MOP has been around
   longer and is known by more people--unless your whole POINT is
   "private science" and being intellectuals for division's sake.
   
   Again though, I would not change the COS. You have your ways. The
   question will always be whether you wake up more fascists than you
   slay. -------------------- Tani: I'll comment: it would not be hard at
   all to have a, DEJURE, communist system, a DEJURE gender-equal system
   with men in it that STILL HAD THESE DESIRES/FEARS and women in it AS
   PENT UP as they are in the west. It would be all DEJURE and not
   DEFACTO at all. And DEFACTO pedophiles would DEJURE watch their
   actions 100% of the time OR ELSE face the gun or gulag or worse. THIS
   is NOT a change at all. It's a BAND AID used to cover up a CANCER. And
   we could have DEJURE non-racism with DEFACTO racism waiting to explode
   in genocide at the LEAST HINT of slackening of the ARMED
   anti-racist-patrols.
   
   MIM3: We agree with that. That's why we have to keep moving forward in
   other areas too, advancing the productive forces, medical advances.