mim3 says: Some facts about Bogdanov Action *Bogdanov attacked Lenin as "Menshevik." He formed a faction called Forward toward ultra-left positions, but it dissolved. *Lenin purged him in 1909. *Bogdanov played no active role in 1917. *His memoirs endorsed Trotsky. Philosophy *Trotsky-sympathizers say Trotsky sided with Bogdanov philosophically. *David Joravsky who wrote on Lysenko said Bogdanov's ideas were equivalent to American pragmatism and said science by Lenin and scientists is "authoritarian." *Bogdanov worked with an avowed god-builder in the party, Lunarcharsky on the same journal of philosphy and in the same speaking forums. As such he was a precursor to Khruschev and Castro. Both Lunacharsky and Bogdanov were followers of Mach and Avenarius. *Numerous authors testify that he was neo-Kantian, hardly a genius of biology and physics like Tani says. Talk about prediction. People criticizing Lenin had to go and prove what their line was made of--worthless rot, but still people like Tani don't get it. See if Bogdanov was for real he would have gone on to do his own thing, but he was just criticizing full of shit. Maybe you better READ some Bogdanov Tani. And you better RE-READ Lenin, because contrary to your repeated assertions which are either lies or idiocy, Lenin DID read Bogdanov. Duh. Bogdanov was Lenin's right hand man till Bogdanov decided to re-write Marxist philosophy! Bogdanov wrote a three volume book and a preface to another book that Lenin cites by page number in MEC. OBVIOUSLY, you did not read MEC. Lenin said in 1920 that he had not read Bogdanov's RECENT works. Get a clue! That was 1920. The debate was over in 1909. Lenin never said he hadn't read what he was criticizing! Bogdanov's recent works were memoirs of a non-revolutionary endorsing Trotsky. They were not the main bag of "empirio-monism." You had to go and parrot stupid fucking knee-jerk Liberal lies about Lenin, over and over again, but you JUST DID NOT READ. You go further and more repeatedly into your same STUPID pattern in defense of your repeated SOLIPSISTIC attacks on MIM. Each time, you make errors more stupid than the ones before. Talk about prediction, did I say Tani was infiltrating idealism in our midst? Fucking us up with solipsism? Did I peg Tani as ultraleft PLP/Fifth Estate anarchist? Bogdanov was a precursor to post-modernism and identity politics. He held that science was different for every social group! He consciously advocated herd think and the idea that the GRASS IS PINK. Bogdanov said: "The basis of 'objectivity' must lie in the sphere of ITAL collective END experience. . . "The agreement in collective experience which is expressed in this 'objectivity' can only appear as the result of the progressive concordance of the experience of different people as they express themselves to each other." See that's why Lenin had to go and say the earth was existing before man, not because of Karl's grotto, but because Bogdanov was at the level of K's grotto--not having incorporated the existence of the objective world BEFORE social consciousness existed! Duh. Sorry, I don't care how many collective idiots say the GRASS IS PINK. It is not the truth and grass was probably green if it existed at all, before there was a "collective experience."