BIOLOGICAL DETERMINISM - 2 To MIM AH HA! Page 348, Gould, Mismeasurement of Man, Revised issue. He agrees with me and what B tried to tell you about life forms, complexity and all that "chain of being" HOGWASH. Now don't get pissed off and tune this out, OK? Sheesh! You know, you say you don't know this stuff. I try to explain it to those who WANT to know it but I have to REALLY simplify it because it's NOT presented in the prole sci way at all, it's academic hard-sci HARD STUFF. I recommended Lewontin's NEW easy book to all, already: Human Diversity - and Gould on evolutionary biology, ANYTHING by Gould. So who read it? S&H Rose are over too many heads, as I found out..... In the MT5 posts I think, I explained insects. You didn't get it? I even compared insect society to Aryan-think when they think about and automatically MAKE race castes and other STUPID shit. I explained how this REALLY DOES work with insects who breed castes that not only are PREORDAINED to do "this chore and only this chore" but are MARKED, RECOGNIZABLE as "this caste" among their own (and even humans can recognize them in labs!) All of this is due to NUTRITION. Sure, they are genetically identical but how the genes EXPRESS (phenotype) is determined and it is the PHENOTYPE THAT DETERMINES _WHAT_ THEY ARE - oh man. You don't understand this? Not just how the insect looks, but WHAT IT WILL DO IN LIFE, WHAT IT _IS_, defined by its JOB! LIKE breeding doctors, breeding lawyers, breeding slaves, breeding obediant breeder-women, breeding male studs, etc. Then you had better NOT be advocating the Aryan dream world with all that test tube stuff if you DO NOT grasp this. Blacks are "black" (not just their color, but the WHOLE THING) due to a bunch of genes for something expressing in a "black phenotype" with a RECOGNIZABLE, IN GENERAL!, GROUP OF FEATURES that are recognizable EVEN IF the "black" person's skin is NOT BLACK AT ALL. (Just ASK any black person!) Obviously, something in the ENVIRONMENT (here comes Lysenko) has FIXED this since blacks that are born in Alaska REMAIN black and don't change into Eskimos in appearance. So it's genetic. It's FIXED IN the genome and it DOES express phenotypically no matter where they are born. There are those that would say that this IS what determines that this or that is a "race" or not! Or a breed (dogs are the same, in this regard). Sure there is variation GENETICALLY and even in appearancce from one to the other (PHENOTYPE) but the GENERAL appearance if you sum up the whole "LOOK" is that this is a black person, NOT an Asian person. I explained all this already. If you didn't understand it then you had best STOP pretending you do and speaking about such COMPLEX matters as the SEXUAL DIMORPHISM OF HUMANS, PRIMATES, MAMMALS and such things if you don't even know what this is. If you DO NOT know the strategies of life that other VERY organized and TOTALLY adapted organisms have taken you better not speak about it, organisms here MILLIONS of years longer than primates or man and TOTALLY adapted where man is HARDLY adapted at all in the same sense! You tell me to review the Marxist scientists? I have written in the simplest manner possible WHAT IT IS THEY ARE SAYING in these posts, TRYING to make people who want to know, understand it. That you don't recognize that we are agreeing with each other here (them and I) tells me a LOT! Like: WOW! It is the Marxist scientists trying to explain this difficult subject that DONT MANAGE to explain it - whereas the Jensen types make simple CACA out of it and everyone just falls for it. I try to simplify the TRUTH here, but I see only ONE BOOK where Lewontin REALLY dumbed it down for all and this is only about humans: Human Diversity. Problem: the book is NOT EASY to get to buy. We had to xerox it. It's not cheap either even IF you can buy it. But it's SIMPLE and explained in a broken down, step by step fashion which other Marxists FAILED to do. If I can explain this to a kid (I've done it) then I'm sure I can explain it to an adult and MAHY FOLKS out there want to know this stuff. How do you imagine the gang formed? They wanted to KNOW this stuff and found a place to find it out- and now they each find out more on their own KNOWING where to look for it. What can I say, however, about an economics expert (Vad) that can't grasp the ToD when that's the most simple thing in the world to grasp? Well, that he's learned to be a talking head DEAF to life!? That he manages to arrive at the STUPIDEST conclusions and fall for the MORON'S line against socialism and that he is UNABLE to see past this and THINK PAST the whole ISSUE being presented "against socialism?" That he doesn't know NORMAL nature from BROKEN nature? Or that he can't reach the ultimate conclusion to any kind of NON-socialist nation's outcome when it's written in history over and over? What am I to THINK of this then?? That the ONLY way to teach is to forget about my 5th grade baby examples: they have to be BEATEN in order to learn anything! Yeah, Stalin said this! So did ANDY, by the way. What's this "more complex" shit? It's Aryan think. It's a HIERARCHY. It doesn't MEAN anything either, as GOULD showed. Let me posit you one then: we can't speak to cats: YET! We don't have the technology to do it: YET. But bacteria instruct other bacteria far beyond the mere mutation of their species and they are able to EVOLVE TOWARD things: DIRECTED evolution. It was the bacteria experts that threw out the fruit fly fools who used to argue Lysenko on plants when plants have a more COMPLEX genome than ANY animals, including humans! But I have walked into a room with a severe leg injury that a doctor needed a soft tissue xray to find and I have had CATS lurk up to me and crowd around me and put their heads ON THE EXACT SPOT of that injury. This is such a common occurrence that people just opt for "animals are psychic." PHOOEY. WHAT are the cats detecting? HEAT? WHAT are they able to see? Well, they can see what NO DOCTOR can see and a lot faster. I posted something on worms, ask Karl to e-mail it to you since I know he has it, it's very short, half a page. Therein I show simply the INTELLIGENCE of these creatures who BUILD, PLAN, TIME and so forth. I don't know ONE SINGLE human able to do what these worms can do without some OTHER human SHOWING HIM HOW. As for whether or not SEX would exist if there was no sex activity in the culture: that is truly a valid point and not just for humans, but for PRIMATES in general - and it's COMICAL to see the proof of it. HowIever, sexual DESIRE would exist but no one would have a CLUE what it was or what to do if it was not IN the culture - that includes chimps. One has to wonder how the "first ones" figured it out... You don't have to know what females are, or what sex is or anything at all to have a wet dream when puberty comes. Like an itch, you'd learn how to scratch it. But you would NOT know what the itch was or why it existed --- or what to DO with a female if one just appeared on your island out of nowhere when you never saw one before. Chimps too - and it's comical as hell to see it. There is documentation too of some purely matriarchal societies where males didn't even know HOW babies got born because no female ever allowed them to know the secret that "if you put that in here, the woman gets fat and then a baby comes out." A man would NOT make the connection and such societies have been documented. Of course, the men lived totally isolated from the women. All those STUPID tests done to see animals and try to measure this "g" in them, that STUPID mirror test. Gould even says it's the Western thing. Why is it that when I was first asked what I thought of these tests, I said that the gorillas would stare at their reflections and just stare and then walk away, but monkeys would try to attack it? I was right. HOW did I know this AFORE hand? Well, I know something about gorillas and monkeys: STARE AT a gorrilla making threatening gestures and stand your ground and it will back off and go its own way. Do that with a monkey or stare one down and it will attack you. I knew this. And so: what does a reflection do? It stares back at you. DUH. So the MORONS conclude that gorrillas are smarter because they "know" it's a reflection but the monkeys are dumber because they "don't know" it's a reflection. STUPID FUCKS. This doesn't measure anything except the HUMAN's incapacity to grasp an animal AS IT IS - perfect and intelligent for ITS NICHE. Gould agrees with ME here. YOU go read the literature of scientific Marxist writers, then. I already did LONG ago. Already wrote heaps of this already to COSsers interested. Within SOME post here or there is a LONG review and suggested reading of Lewontin's book. I don't have a copy. I'm not the one who wants to KNOW this stuff, OK? Humans cannot communicate with bacteria: YET. Oh, but bacteria can communicate with us unbeknownst to us, they can MAKE YOU crave chocolate even if you hate it, they can make you go and GET chocolate and EAT IT and you'd think it was "your own free will and desire." That notion scares the shit out of ARYAN type humans for sure. It threatens their notions of individuality (HA!) and power over their free will (HA!) and makes them MORE aware of how "dangerous" the world is, the world they hate and call "of the devil." UGH. There are "AIDS ASSASSINS" out there now. Oh? Ever think that the virus itself is MAKING THEM DO IT? OH OH...too spooky to contemplate, threatens that good ol free will shit again. ALL LIFE has the TENACIOUS URGE to replicate itself and spread and that (listen up Karl) IS the Will to Power! FOR REAL. Bacteria not only have the same urge to replicate but they INSTRUCT EACH OTHER on how to do it better in environments they don't even have the genes to survive in --- they seem to "GET" the genes and like...HOW? WHO KNOWS, but they DO IT! We can't do this! We are too STUPID to do it! This had to do with the E. Coli bacteria experiment: new stuff, STRANGE results. Threatens to blow Darwin out of the water too......bring back Lamarck maybe? Who knows. There are many kinds of intelligence that WE reocgnize: I do not accept the Western version of what intelligence is at all because I see they LACK some kind of animal sense. But back to Lamarck???: Blacks, just one example. WHAT could have fixed the genome to end up so that a phenotype for "general black" expresses NO MATTER WHERE they are born? We don't know what could have done that. Selection would have honed in the "type" but what FIXED it in the genes? Don't know - no one knows. Not being ALLOWED to study it is all due to the Aryanist HATE-LIES about race. But not being allowed to study such things RETARDS progress, PREVENTS "the devil's" WISDOM. You made the ABSURD statement that nutrition can't change your genes? EH? WHAT? How do you think we evolved? What do you imagine environment is - just the "out there apart from you" stuff? It's IN HERE TOO - IN YOU. NOTHING is apart from you unless you are an Aryan who FEELS like this about life "out there," and then it's still not apart from you but you are SO BROKEN that you LIVE AS IF YOU ARE apart from life and "in control." That's a klippoth! It's also CLASSIC Aryan. Yeah, get in "touch" with nature: you don't need a back pack or woods, just LOOK AT YOUR OWN DAMNED HAND for a start. Metabolism is ALSO environment and what you eat SURE AS HELL DOES affect this. So you may THINK you are not Nazi-thinking but oh, yes you are, right smack back into it, you have drifted right into it in trying to argue with us when you DO NOT UNDERSTAND what we are even saying. No matter, your drift was THEIR drift. WHY? You best then question some of your OTHER assumptions and not be so DAMNED CONVINCED (just like they are!) IMAGINE IF we could "talk" to other animals. You didn't. You opted for THEIR solutions - not ours. FYI, Lysenko and his strongest advocates were dead against ALL FORMS of artificial insemination of COWS (!!) because "it interfered with the female cow's freedom of choice in her mates and this is an insult to Soviet womanhood." They believed it affected the quality of the offspring to do such a thing. FACT IS (yeah, you don't know this) - artificial insemination as it stands right now is practially a bust - for "some unknown reason" it is VERY HARD to get a woman pregnant using it. This is not widely known, but if you are going to MOUTH OFF on such things, you better START knowing it. And then there is the dark doctrine on such matters of birth and orgasm of female affecting the quality of the offspring and so much of what that doctrine says is 100% on target, perhaps this is too. Fact is, women would have to have that INNER LIBERATION before they could begin to liberate themselves in ANY other way: I don't expect any of you to REALIZE this or know it or even CONTEMPLATE the logic of it. But you'd mock it out. NONE of the Panthers mocked it out: THEY AGREED WITH IT and some of them said "damned, I had an idea like that too." Man has been eating the wrong shit, doing the wrong shit, EVERYTHING WRONG since the agrarian age began. Man is so twisted that I have NO IDEA if man will survive as a species: these are signs NOT of evolution but of extinction and LOTS OF OTHER STUFF backs that up. Sure you don't see it - you are living IN it and it seems slow. Nutrition, prenatal and post natal, is EXTREMELY important - it determines whether or not you are a dull witted moron or a bright person capable of NORMAL intelligence (I don't mean genius or Einstein). And well, DOES THIS eventually get fixed in the gebnome so that the dullards start to breed dullards? MAYBE IT DOES! LOTS of other things got FIXED in the genome, you know, and are now independent of environment eg where you are born. ALL this shit people eat - BEANS THE WORST - DULLS the senses and wit. It wouldn't surprise me if the akatharsis is not cultural or xian at all, but PURELY DIETARY. Now we are entering directly into Lysenkoism - the real thing - what he was really talking about that can definitely ALTER a species! HE DID IT with plants! And it IS inherited, it CAN BE. Once the genes get FIXED it's permanent, inherited, DETERMINED whether or not it expresses or not - and we all know environmental factors make genes express as phenotypes UNLESS THEY ARE FIXED (blacks born in Alaska are still blacks; Siberian wolfhounds born in Florida are still Siberian wolfhounds; they'll surely be uncomfortable and SUFFER a tiny bit living in Florida but they won't die: but then there is death and then there is SLOW SLOW death and that's what man HAS BEEN SUFFERING for a long time, so long that it's not even noticed save to give the condition mystical names like angst, anome, ennui, akatharsis). WHAT CAUSES the neurological NORMAL condition of western people: alexithymia? It's not normal - that's known now, but WHAT causes it? True, they have not tested too many NON-western people for it but I KNOW it would exist in those patriarchal suffocating countries where that STUPID culture just perpetuates itself as if unable to just STOP. WHY can't it stop? Don't give me economics. It was around LONG BEFORE that; CENTURIES before: it STARTED with AGFRICULTURE: DIET! And to Goldhagan. The man is not liberal or political in his book at all, he is giving naked facts about what people DID and HOW they DID IT, ordinary xian Germans, NOT Nazi fanatics or Hitlerites but ORDINARY GERMANS. No one can deny these facts and pictures exist, letters they wrote to their wives, etc. FACTS. You think people can't just DO this because they hate your race? HA! Naive. Marxists don't WANT IT TO BE pure rage and race hate unleashed. They WANT to make economic logic out of it where it doesn't even exist. What: looking at man at his most UNLEASHED AND BRUTAL is too painful for them? Always putting their fucking Aryan non-brains on it to explain it or use "REASON" (their divine new bullshit) to "explain" it. RAGE. Grasp it. RAGE. UNLEASHED: CATHARSIS. That is what LIBERATION did for those Germans! I mean now inner liberation, the kind that enables you to UNLEASH your passions without ANY KIND of moral fears (restraints). That they could do this is TERRIFYING to the honkies these days: because they have it inside them and they are AFRAID of their own feelings. Maybe you don't know what it FEELS LIKE to beat a person half to death that has bugged you, a person you HATE when that hate is unleashed without any fear. IT FEELS GOOD! It's a total release and then the ANGER is completely gone. Anything else and the anger gnaws away inside YOU instead. Imagine a nation feeling this for a whole other GROUP of people that they perceive or recognize as another race. It's EASY for me to understand this. I'm closer to savage than you. THANK THE GODS. Do you know how I fight? Like a lion or wolf. Teeth barred, JUMP ON the person like an animal would, claws and fangs. Let there be a bottle, bash and bash and continue to bash the person's face with it, not even mindful if the glass cuts into YOU while you do it. RAGE UNLEASHED. The enemy is EXTERMINTED, or at least you TRY to do that. It feels GOOD. People should NOT fuck around with people and they DO NOT if they realize they are up against people who CAN DO shit like this to them. Somilians ripped a man to pieces and DANCED in glee holding his torn off leg up for the cameras to film. I UNDERSTAND THEM PERFECTLY. But I DO NOT understand YOU! Or Malecki. Or Martins. My grandfather's brother RIPPED OUT the hearts of Chinese POW's and gored up the flag banners with the blood: this after he skinned them alive after hog-tieing them. I UNDEFRSTAND THIS. I DO NOT understand putting Jeffrey Dahmer on trial in a court and sitting there CALMLY testifying against him, or sitting in the court LISTENING to him calmly when he murdered your brother. I DO NOT understand this kind of civilization where RAGE is pent up in all aspects. So people go "postal." I understand them perfectly. I DO NOT understand the civvy shit. I understand breaking the door down to a house where lives a girl who fucked with my neice. I understand trashing her house and PUTTING HER FACE into a lit flame from the stove after bashing her almost unconscious with a chair and then smashing all the glass on the cabinets in her dining room, even tho it was her PARENT's house that got trashed. THIS I understand. And what cops? COPS never came around ethnic areas back then and interfered or else EVERYONE involved would say "oh, he just FELL off the roof, they were playing;" no one would tell the PIGS that "he PUNCHED the mother fucker off the roof where he fell 3 stories to his death." Local fights. Family violence too, NO ONE got involved and they didn't dare lest the two fighting parties SIDE for the moment and gang up on the one interfering. THAT was how it was. Now everything is sue crazy and everyone is also pent up - and SURE THERE IS MORE VIOLENCE THAN EVER BEFORE: GET A CLUE!!! And it's misdirected and/or directed against the wrong damned target or even against the self! This is PREDICTABLE! It's all pent up now. All it would take is a "leader" here to UNLEASH IT and also give these people a "TARGET" to hate. HOOEY, move over Germans. You seek to appeal to reason, yet the people who HAVE BEEN RED or descended from Red DID NOT USE REASON when they DID revolutions. PASSIONS were unleashed. You clean it all up after the fact, analyse it, put your BRAIN on it, reason it all out. REASON does not "MOVE" nations. PASSION does. It wasn't reason that put Lenin in power at all: ANARCHY broke out. It wasn't Stalin's or NKVD's reason that stopped kulaks;it was peasant's PASSIONS. Later on the reason set in after (I WISH) a few million (WISH)....a few thousand kulak SHITS were ha ha....beaten to death and beaten AFTER they were corpses! RAGE. And don't you know that the Banderas, equally rageful and hating the Reds, didn't just "murder, shoot, execute" the Reds, HO....they stuck hoses up their asses and turned on the water and pissed on them and other RAGE acts. They cut the dicks off the little children of Reds and other TORTURES, cut tits off, - and that's got NOTHING to do with a "reasonable capital punishment" thing. RAGE. Same as what Nazis did, all kinds of rage acts. It's the hard-core Nazis that behaved more "reasonable" when they murdered hundreds in pits. Goldhagan points that out too! And it is TOTALLY NORMAL to feel rage when rage is provoked, Mim, it is MORE NORMAL to behave this way with rage than it is to pent-up all of this and get all stoical and reasonable and RISK the rage becoming sexualized as it is in the stoical, akathartic west. I understand naked rage. I UNDERSTAND what the Germans did to the Jews for the FIRST TIME - NOW it makes PERFECT SENSE: THEY HATED THEM!!! I have felt HATE and acted on it. And those who'd call us savages and animals (yes! WE ARE) they are KLIPPOTHS for NOT BEING ABLE to unleash their own passions which just fester inside them and then transform into all forms of sublimated vicarious SHIT. Oh, then they want to ESCAPE their feelings? That can't be done! They FEAR their own fucking feelings? Now we got a COMPLETE klippoth. They just SPLIT, get schizoid doing this, become like classic honkey, try to be talking head. The people who DID Red in the USSR, forget the leaders that wrote and spoke later on IN PUBLIC, were all DIONYSIAN people and there is much they themselves have written in NON-academic reading material to show this clearly. That's what B was trying to tell the corpses on Marxism space. How could they "get it?" They're dead people. Rage wells up, is expressed in a paroxism of what lilly whites call "terror" and then it subsides Later: do any of you watch "Earth, Final Conflict" Roddenberry's excellent series and newest one? It's a model of the old system only involving all of earth. WHO do the Tailons enlist to assist them? Police force for top security. Scientists (the philosophers and knowers of old days). Priests (the religions athorities who have hordes of true believers). And what are the Tailon aims? And what do the Tailons look like??? In an interesting episode, Boone (the spy for the human resistance who is unclear on what the real Tailon agenda is) compares Da'an to human "authorities of old who are STILL revered today" andthere is a similarity of appearance: I call it the Jesus face and offer a PAGE of faces with a page of the Turanian looking types from all over the world to contrast it: the western conception of "evil, devious, cunning" appearances which WE Turanians all have in the western and even black American mindset. It is two pages of two types of physiognomy that tends to BLOW MINDS when people see it, scales fall from their eyes and they SEE and BEGIN to understand something very very deep. I will say something that I think is non-scientific, but then I have to wonder: WHY does this exist and IS IT non-scientific? ALL primates including white/black humans have round staring eyes. ONLY the top land predators such as felines and non-domesticated canines have the kind of "face" that resembles the Turanian face. WE look like CATS, or WOLVES. We also have digestive systems that are identical to a wolf's AND WE HAVE the faces to match this. Sound funny? I thought so too until I started to wonder: WHY are we Turanians (and Asians, in fact, MOST HUMANS) of this appearance? WHAT survival basis does this serve? Perhaps it is an evolved MARKER of some kind, much like a tiger's stripes or a male lion's mane which also seem to be there just for appearance! It's a theory NO ONE has looked into. That we who look this way are universally PERCEIVED by BOTH whites, and blacks too, as being somehow SCAREY in some way is INTERESTING. WHY is this? We look "demonic" as it is called, wolfish, catlike, CUNNING, devious, and so forth. This is surely a cultural perception but WHY? It couldn't just come out of thin air - SOMETHING MATERIAL HAD TO PRECEED the formation of these ideas about us! OK? The EARLIEST contact of Aryans with us, they thought us half demon or half god. A little later on, they blamed us for all their woes and thought we cursed them, thought we had the power of "magic" of some kind to do this to them. WHY? Oral history doesn't answer it: we did nothing to them except GET AWAY from them as they tried to push us (and DID push us) out of our native lands - this is pre-history but it's being dug out these days. The Hun and Tatar invasions might explain it as one author (I used to have the book, no longer remember the title, even) thought that the perception of "the xian devil" as a Turanian faced being came around the time of the Huns. This IS possible - but where then did the blacks get the same perception? Fear of cats due to life in Africa? We look like cats. Apprearance is there due to environment AND selective breeding in populations in isolation, but these appearances become markers by which OTHERS can tell us apart from themselves and vice versa. Humans don't come in STRIPES or SPOTS tho ALL primitives tend to MAKE stripes and spots on their naked bodies for DISPLAY and other things, - but we DO come in physiognomies which is the first thing anyone SEES when they talk to another: FACE. I often thought that striped or spotted humans would be so cute and I wondered why we DON'T have these markings. Perhaps one time we did? Having stripes would have aided hunters for sure, any soldier knows this! And it is a mistake to imagine that only prey have "disguise" mechanisms like this: MANY predatory animals also have these. A uniformed blotch of color such as humans have of all races would stand out, not good for any predator OR prey to have this. Humans took to painting themselves for this - all primitives did it and STILL do it. Make-up is the modern equivalent of this, by the way, and it is a LIMBIC behavior. To advocate "not wearing it, in order to be natural" is just the PURITAN'S line and I see thru that and also know it's the same TYPE OF PEOPLE who try to insist on this puritanism no matter WHICH dogma they use to "justify" their little STOICAL tyranny. For you not to realize that the PRIMATY MOTIVATING FACTOR that made people fall in against the USSR was the APPEARANCE of the Soviets - primarily Turanian. I can't believe you don't realize this. They fall right in with wanting to know about the Queen of England of Princess Die and all that STUPID SHIT but they are as if they DO NOT WANT TO KNOW about Soviets. The general perception of the Soviet type, just by appearance, is of a cold, calculating type of cunning "spooky" person. Yet they/we are the opposite in terms of how open and friendly we spontaneously are: BOISTEROUS is the word for it. Yet the overall impression of the Scandinavian is of a very civilized peaceful people and yet they are by their own admission brusque, aloof and quite repressed: Ole calls it Danishism and it's SUFFOCATING. These are knee jerk impressions people have BASED ON APPEARANCE and nothing else! Yet everyone always thought Diane Vera was Jewish even so she doesn't "LOOK" it at all: why? Because she is SMART and rather liberal-left wingy. Impressions. I knew she was not Jewish and not Catholic but a WASP and I was RIGHT: how did I base MY perception? On the degree of repression and self-oppression I could feel from her over a telephone. I even described her general appearance to her over the phone which she thought was psychic. No it wasn't. So how'd I do it? YOU figure it out. I heard her voice, talked to her. GET IT? I can ALWAYS tell if a person is black over a phone no matter what accent they have: it's EARS. I hear it. These are just an awareness that everyone OUGHT TO have. BAck to Earth Final Conflict. Roddenberry has the set up like it was of old in the old days with other Empires and their compradors. Do you imagine that the USA gets into these places by claiming it's out to conquer the people? They come with with offerings of favors and good deeds, guarantees of improvements and they DAZZLE the people with trinkets and make promises! And so? At first the tribel leaders, elders and "witch doctors" are always against this and so they are put down and ridiculed as the NEW STUFF is still in its dazzling phase. By the time the empires take over, it's too late, the elders and wise folk are all gone and the people are enslaved. Other empires managed to do this without affecting the native cultures of people - such as the Romans or even Egyptians. But the Aryans have found a new way to subvert the very NATURE of the conquered people and that is to turn them against WHAT THEY ARE IN THE FLESH ITSELF - turn them against their own RACEHOOD so to speak, turn them against their own APPEARANCE!!! THIS is what you are not seeing is SO DIFFERENT about THIS stage of imperialism - whereas the economic factors are exactly the same as they were of old: THEY have resources, YOU need their resources, YOU don't live there, THEY live there. So you gotta find a way to GET the resources - this is the history of agrarian life, the ToD. The only difference is the Aryan element: it is DECIDEDLY KLIPPOTHIC IN ESSENCE - and this is APART FROM slavery, completely apart from economics or anything else that ever drove ANY imperialists of old to enslave others or conquer them. I have read all their literature and learned their utter PARANOIA as regards APPEARANCE! Not work, or money, but APPEARANCE. The only explanation I have is that they are a true minority and their genes are TOTALLY recessive. What else could make them FEEL that way and write SO MUCH on it? They said the same exact things when they instituted the Laws of Manu in Aryan India based on Varna: COLOR of person decides his or her worth. PURE Aryan conceptuaizations of old and of modern times. To not consider this a factor, THE factor, in all they've done is to be deliberately blind. FOR WHOM do you think posters of Stalin and others were touched up to make them look NOT more black, NOT more asian, but MORE WESTERN EUROPEAN? Do you think they did this for their own Soviet people? There are many, or MOST that I happen to know that do NOT share this conceptuatlization of "what looks IDEAL" at all! When they make Stalin look other than he really looks, I see they have made him look BLAND. When they "idealized" Yezhov's picture I see they made him look like NON-Yezhov, like some English guy or something, they even make his jet black hair look light! It's AMAZING: you don't notice this? This has NOTHING TO DO with economics! There are LOTS of rich Japanese and Chinese and Jews, you know, and imperialists among them too. BUT WHO HAD this nordic hang up? Nordics? Yes, English and Germans had it big time but SO DID HOLLYWOOD JEWS, Mim. And the JOKE of it is that it was started by Winkleman, a GAY GUY in love with the type of guy that looked like that. WHAT a mock out: it puts a new slant on the concept that they are a HOMOEROTIC RACE of solar phallic culters. Read "Male Disease" for a clue to what I mean - the whole post, it's on Vad's website, both parts. It's a fact that a lof of other ethnic groups have their own PIGS in uniform of the same military type but the IMAGE of the "stoic soldier " remains a nordic image. Lebed will always be thought of as a Darth Vader or something while Churchill, JUST DUE TO HIS LOOKS, will be thought of as the kindly old Englishman who wants freedom. THAT is how strong these perceptions are in humans. What causes it? MEDIA? HOLLYWOOD? If so, WHY doesn't it work on everyone? Perhaps it doesn't work on the folks I know because we are not "THE CONQUERED." But back to the original point (this all blends into it in case you don't catch that), what NATO does is exactly like what the Tailons are doing on that show (EXCELLENT show, by the way!) Obviously Roddenberry, with his dream of progressive world communism, KNEW this when he wrote it. chow.