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Joined: 25 Nov 2005 Posts: 111

MIM has discussed this point several times. If you do not trust the PO Box 29670 or MIM, then put the ball in the hole yourself for financing projects!

Nothing stops anyone from giving aid to the Russians directly. I'm sure the Belarussians also need aid. You may be able to track down Luis Arce Borja and render him aid.

If you want to take over a project YOURSELF, you are free to do so. The one closest to completion
from the http://www.prisoncensorship.info/archive/etext/pirao/piraoad03292002.html
list is Lord Grim's book.

If you can come up with ways to advertise MIM, please do so and do not blame MIM for not coming up with new articles begging for the same thing over and over again.

MIM is not about handing out information. It's not going to happen.

Joined: 15 Nov 2005 Posts: 37

I think we may be misunderstanding one another. I certainly do trust MIM, and that's why I enquired as to how I could help it. My criticism, however, is that MIM, while it upholds the correct goal of moving funds to the service of the revolutionary classes, cannot be effective in that goal unless it provides potential contributors with basic information about proposed projects. This is what's needed to serve the people in the best way possible. To be more concrete, what is needed on the page in question, with regard to Lord Grim, for instance, is a detailed description of a) this person's background in writing and theory work (without breaching security), and b) what he would do with the proposed amount. Similar information is needed with reference to the other projects. So far, MIM has not succeeded in raising even $200 for any of its PIRAO projects in almost four years (the last news I received was that the PIRAO was defunct), so the fundraising methods MIM/PIRAO is using have simply not proved effective. That leaves it with two choices: change, or continue to fail. It would be idealist to choose the latter.

Joined: 25 Nov 2005 Posts: 111

This is an example of how IRTR is in a niche where if it is not careful, it is going to become a new "Committees of Correspondence." That was a large group of people unhappy with the CPUSA that sits arounds complaining about it and celebrating openly their lower level of commitment now that they have been de-zombitized etc. etc. Even if there are no zombies, surely the cops would like us to think so.

Criticisms like these should only be made AFTER one has done a better job. "Look here, we prioritized X and the following Y was the result."

MIM has gone to the cell structure. There's no important sense in which we need to wait to be in synch with the etext-based cell. There are countless things that could be advanced further.

Most of what we are doing can be done without a larger structure. As we said before, we are not running candidates for office or doing anything that requires large numbers inside u.$. borders. That is the concrete condition we need to reason from, not preset ideas. Trying to follow the example of other organizations without those concrete conditions is going to lead one astray.

One thing we should gather from this is kind of a natural sense of how centralism starts to operate. This conflict with S66 is completely typical. When it arises you can predict what the two sides are going to say and it's going to happen again and again.

OK, but in terms of how MIM operates, people do not really get a say without having a vote. And to vote--that is the real question that needs resolving. Getting a vote is not really about verbal agreement with the M-L-M party. Hopefully S66 will have an organization where S66 gets a vote based on others' perceptions of S66's action level.

My guess is that S66 probably does deserve a vote somewhere.

Finally, I want to thank IRTR for deleting this thread as it existed before. In general, the last thing the etext-based cell has time for is answering various rumors about how it operates.

If you believed anything rumored concretely in this open forum, that is your own security problem, a problem of your own method/approach and style of investigation.

People investigating the etext-based cell and how it operates are not viewed charitably. The vanguard party is supposed to be composed of leaders. It is not a vocational school for people pledged to a cult for example. MIM is also not about instructing revisionists how to do their job.

Here, you have some people who are in fact already leaders. Whether they are going to go in the right direction in the future or whether each of us is CIA/FBI etc. is not something I or anyone else can answer. That is another condition we have to work from.

Joined: 25 Nov 2005 Posts: 111

The Etext-based cell has already announced what it sees as its duties. Prison ministry, Web ministry, MIM Notes and some local agitation plus funding what the cell already does sums it up in a nutshell. Resuming PIRAO outreach was not one of the listed goals of the cell.

If you want to go on the offensive in other areas, that is totally right. You need your own cell. There are many thousands of ideas that need working on.

Credit where credit is due--one of the people on this forum is regularly contributing money to the cause and managing his/her own administration and choice of project on a continuous basis.

The idea may have stemmed from something the comrade read at etext, but the implementation was all done outside the PIRAO structure, without hand-holding.

Joined: 25 Nov 2005 Posts: 111