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Red Skyscraper |
Posted: Jan 5 2005, 05:13 AM
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Nice try, attempting to use my words and try to state the same thing I just told you in a vain attempt to win this argument against me. It means now that you don't have anything further to say, and that I'm right.
Actually, it does. Still, your statements reveal what you truly are, anarchist.
You are dogmatic because you cite his words like a bible, and never study all of his works and think carefully enough.
Oh yes he did prove such a thing, you liar. As for morals, they go along with Marxism. People have to follow a code of conduct, of proper action, something you anarchists don't seem to understand.
Used my words and twisted them again. First of all, yes conflict is constantly going on, but it doesn't always move forward, it also moves backward. Otherwise try really hard explaining why some socialist countries turned back to capitalism, for example, or why historical kingdoms rise and fall. There is conflict which goes back and forth, and is cyclical and in constant movement, never just linear, that's what bourgeois historians believe. And you obviously don't understand your ideology of anarchism. Anarchism is seeking to turn to capitalist practices of the past, never going into dialectical materialism, never paying attention to the facts. Science and technology prove that there is conflict. But this conflict doesn't prove that homosexuality is "natural." What it proves is that it is a disease that grew unchecked among humans, and must thus be medically corrected, like blindness, and psychological diseases.
Prove it, you mean, in the same way you "prove" all of your bullshit ideas? Hah, sorry to break it to you, but homosexuality being a disease is a very well-known fact and detrimental to the health of society. The majority of the people out there don't want to associate with homosexuality because to them, homosexuals represent a clique of oppressive people as bad as the Jews, because they want people to bend to their arrogant will, by harping on their ideas again and again. We can cure these people of their genetic ailment, which is not a virus, contrary to what you claim. Only the ultra-leftists think it's all the rage to consider gay rights as "revolutionary," just like they claim supporting Israel is "revolutionary."
I declare it as a fact, because it is a fact.
Because unlike blind people, homosexuals are more arrogant, and thus they must be convinced that they need help, just like a capitalist must be coerced to change his position, and why a psychopathic killer must be forced to given care and helped. If you can't accept this, you shouldn't even bother helping us.
Actually it is sufficient. Capitalists don't ask for our help, but we give it to them. By saying no to help, you are saying no to helping anything, and surrendering to our enemy. What you say are the words of a little child stuck in that sandbox, who refuses to crawl out, who refuses to even try to make a difference, who refuses to accept real facts, who never listens to anybody, who foolishly thinks he has this "god" complex, when in fact he knows truly nothing, and does not know how anything really works, except in his mind, a mind filled with hot air.
The blind, the deaf, the homosexual, are also part of helping those in need, and making change. You say you want progress so much, well, curing the world from homosexuality is progress, because it is correcting an error made by human civilization, correcting the conflict that humanity has gone against nature, and because it went against nature, homosexuality grew. This must be corrected by providing medicine for them. If you say no, you are taking a position akin to liberalism, a position that advocates "freedoms." You can't let a disease run free, you must cure the disease with excellent health care, and help people.
Actually, child, the burden is really on yourself, to really, truthfully prove to me that homosexuality is natural, that these people should be left alone. The scientific community proved that homosexuality is a genetic psychological disease, but due to the current politically correct mindview taken by capitalism, which is a code word for giving special treatment for a select very small number of people, they kept this finding quiet. Science also proved that the earth was round and not at the center of the universe, but scientists were silenced then as well. It happens all the time. It is politics. Only those who advocate capitalism would say homosexuality is ok.
Lack of intelligence? My son, it is you who lacks the intelligence. I have provided good reason, saying over and over it was a health condition, just like polio. You could not even make one iota of an attempt to prove to me that people who are gay are so by choice, that they are practicing something "natural." Instead, you cite the same ultra-leftist rhetoric over and over again, just like you do with everything else here, without listening to us. Therefore, your ignorant statements shall be considered empty, and worthless.
I have said many times how it harms society. Prove to me that it does not. Prove to me really hard that homosexuality is ok. You cannot do that, not without your tired old rhetoric.
First of all, I said rare, not never. Learn to start reading, not smoking your head off on another joint of marijuana. Second, a bonobo is but one species among billions, and bonobos aren't building socialism, or worrying about material greed, but use "homosexuality" as a means of communication, yet you can't really say they're gay because you're using the human definition of gayness, and a bonobo rubbing asses would be more akin to men shaking hands, not gay behavior. A human homosexual is a side-effect of the natural world, who emphasizes his behavior arrogantly, rather than accept that he is ill, so that doesn't work. Third, I suggest you stop citing Wikipedia yet again, it just gets more and more amusing to see you even try.
It spreads like blind people. Nature didn't get a chance to wipe out the affected populations once civilization arrived. Rather than killing them off, as the Nazis might suggest, we help them with medicine and put them back into society. That is our important goal, which can never be ignored, to help these people. If ignored, then you might as well ignore all other parts of socialism as well.
Of course your methods have proven to fail over and over again countless many times. Thus we will fight our way, not your "utopian" dogmatic way. Our system works, we've scored countless many more victories. You have accomplished nothing. You could not even keep a little commune alive without it degenerating into an unorganized cesspool of primitive behavior.
Again, the nation is not the nation-state. You need to buy a dictionary, so that you can actually start learning how to read. Nations will stay, cultures will stay, groups will stay, borders will stay. Bourgeois nationalism will be gone, proletarian nationalism will grow strong, and we will peacefully co-exist. That is internationalism, not throwing out capitalism all at once, as the dogmatists claim.
No, what is dogmatism is citing words out of context as "fact," reducing Marx to a biblical factor, and not bothering to study every aspect of Marx, to understand all of his writings, and understand just who the man was. Dogmatists pick and choose what they want to believe, they don't pay attention to reality, to change, they think one solution fits all.
According to the true definition, of workers among nations working together to overthrow imperialism, which as a result helps workers in other nations, and thus proletarian nationalism grows and saves the day.
The proletariat is national, with an international goal. That is what is being advocated, not the need to overthrow everything that exists for some new utopia.
Yes you did. You called it stupid because you didn't want to consider it fact, when in reality it is a fact.
Marx was an anti-semite, just like he was anti-anarchist. Grow up and start doing some serious reading, kid. -------------------- "Islamo-Fascism" is a term coined by Trotskyite
Christopher Hitchens. Quite revealing, and shows we must support the
Iranians and any other anti-imperialist resistance movements in the
Middle East even more.
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mim3 |
Posted: Jan 5 2005, 11:10 AM
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Marx was anti-Jewish, anti-Catholic and anti-Protestant.
He believed the religions obtain their force from material conditions. He blamed the bourgeoisie for Protestantism and said it enslaved Germany and dismissed Catholicism as "backward" and representing feudalism. Religious wars also came from material conditions--underlying material conflicts. There is a combination of Liberals, Zionists and neo-Nazis with an interest in making it appear that Marx singled out gay pedophiles and Jews to be scape-goated. The Liberals never see anything as systematic and they also have an interest in defending neo-Nazis and Zionists. The neo-Nazis want to lay all economic exploitation at the feet of the Jews, to let imperialism off the hook. Scapegoating is also easier than looking for evidence of the causation of problems. If anyone wants to make an argument about Marx scape-goating, it needs to be done by comparison. Show us where Marx said heterosexual pedophiles were good. In fact, he and Engels both believed NO sex occurred with mutual consent yet under capitalism. "Full freedom of marriage can therefore only be generally established when the abolition of capitalist production and of the property relations created by it has removed all the accompanying economic considerations which still exert such a powerful influence on the choice of a marriage partner. For then there is no other motive left except mutual inclination." http://www.prisoncensorship.info/archive/etext/wim/cong/gender98.html |
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