Yeah, it's convenient that your "proof" came from your own website, of all places.

When you accuse this forum, where I admin at, of being "a haven" for "FBI informers" and "Neo-Nazis" (and posted it on your pathetic website) it IS my fucking business. So I will not be "shutting up" until you either leave or retract your absurd statements.

Okay. So according to what you have posted so far: someone posted a link to an article on the "Red Comrades" website (which in all probability was copied and pasted from Northstar Compass, PLP or another source). Then the guy that made the "RC" website (allegedly) sends a letter to the FBI about you. And this is your basis for saying that we "sympathize" with the "FBI informers", who copied and pasted material from other sources and placed it on their geocities site? There is no logic in that. And when did this allegedly happen? It must have been a damn long time ago, because I do not remember it. I read ISF throughout most of its existence. And I know nothing like that was posted here at EG.

LOL, "the leading US socialist website". Maybe in hits. And probably as a result of a DoS attack.

mim3 for MIM:

Red Skyscraper, it's a third party report on our website.

You can get the same thing live here. I'm just not sure if the link will work for you.

http://www.alexa.com/browse/categories?catid=49442

Now, again, I think the real problem is that you all are obsessed with numbers, which is why you go crawling to neo-Nazis and Brezhnev nostalgia fans
and take comfort from patronizing people like RAF. What's much more important is that we do stuff independently like for Ward Churchill. If we're wrong about the trend of history, none of this is going to matter anyway! So we better do the analysis, scientifically, the best we can, and then act on that basis.

mim3 for MIM:

This is predictable from Sensitive. It's called being immune to evidence.

Get yourself disproved and then make up another excuse why you were wrong.

I was not "disproved". You claimed to be the "leading US socialist website", but all that really means is simply HITS which could have, very well, came from a DoS attack. You have very few members anyway. So what if your website is ahead of the real world parties in hits.

mim3 for MIM:
Integrity check time: Red Skyscraper and Sensitive, you have been arguing against MIM. It's going to be pointless to argue with people who do not deal with independent evidence in black-and-white.

Do admit that what that third party report says is that MIM's website is the most popular, so that I know this discussion is worth having.

Sure, a DoS attack on February 17 and it just so happens a DoS attack right now. Funny, the website is not down, is it. Funny, the alexa report is LIVE.

Sensitive is immune to evidence. Others chime in?

Again, it is completely irrelevant to this conversation anyway. But according to the site you linked to, "The 5 most visited sites in all 'Socialists' categories, updated daily!" ... and, as I said, all that means is the number of hits. So it does not mean that you have a large amount of supporters or people who agree with you. It is just hits. And considering how small of a group you are, even if those were all real people viewing your site, it sure has not helped your membership numbers.

I have noticed that MIM runs on "Extext" or something, why dont you buy your own domain?

mim3 for MIM:

Sensitive, if it's "irrelevant" to this thread anyway, then why did you talk about it? It's quite relevant, because it demonstrates your method of argument with MIM--namely baseless argument without evidence.

And now you are saying we are a small party. Wow, that disproves us. So we purge the hell out of people, because we're hard-ass supposed dogmatists and we're the number one website. Hmmmm. So you proved that per comrade our quality is the highest and you've proved that having numbers in the party is not the key. And you consider that arguing AGAINST MIM?

Do stop to consider that ordinarly the milquetoast "Socialist Party" or DSA would be the presumed front-runner by numbers (DSA=10,000 members), and would have been if not for MIM. That should prove something to you right there.

I do not go to neo-Nazis or Brezhnev fans. You had some balls calling me a Neo-Nazi on your website. Not only that, I never contacted RAF or whatever the fuck you may believe I did. This is a message board, not the vanguard of the world proletariat, so complain all you want, it's not going to make one iota of a difference here as we're a bunch of folks talking about politics, not planning world domination or whatever conspiracy you're cooking in your head right now. And stop bringing up Ward Churchill in every one of your posts. It's getting to be like you're some campaign spokesperson or something. Yes the guy should not be branded as a "witch," but Jesus you don't have to bring it up every second.

I don't care how popular your "website" is, you want to talk about solid evidence, you prove that the people on this board who you labeled in your "criticisms" really are neo-Nazis, Brezhnev puppets, or whatever the hell term you use to describe us.

Your only basis for being "the most popular" socialist site is simply based upon the number of hits your site receives. So it does not prove that you are any kind of influential (and especially not "popular") group at all. And that is how you started us off in this direction in the first place (claiming that you were actually influential). Look at that same page, even the PLP is ranked #4, and they're almost as crazy as you are.

And you are a small party, which proves that all the hits on your website do not make you the most "popular" of US socialists.

I would not expect SPUSA to be ranked very highly, because there is not much information on their website. They are, however, far more influential (and "popular") than the MIM ever will be, and that is because they have a large number of real life members.

Well, because they are being watched by the FBI, neo-Nazis, and little green men from Mars, they have every right to be afraid of buying domain name.

They can buy one with domainsbyproxy, making them anonymous, child porn sites and co. use this method, i also bought my site with DBP.

mim3 for MIM:

It could hardly be clearer. For Sensitive, influence is number of members, not number of readers. It's called preaching to the choir. And as I said, if you want to preach to the choir, then I understand all the crawling to the neo-Nazis and Brezhnev nostalgia buffs. You sort of realize you want a bigger choir and so you fantasize about your commonalities.

Sensitive just does not get it. Stalin started having to borrow books in a tiny reading circle. He couldn't afford his own. Likewise Mao's party was tiny too, but as we know, Lenin, Stalin and Mao were more influential and vaulted past the others, because line is decisive as Mao said--one line, not a mushing of neo-Nazi, Brezhnev, social-democratic and Liberal lines.

MIM does not care how many members you have on paper. It's what they get done, including making sure they don't cross-cancel each other's work by having opposing/mixed lines.

MIM could have named its principal task "recruiting members" or "party-building," but we decided on "creating public opinion and the independent institutions of the oppressed." The first focus is on the already converted choir and more emphasis on dogma questions, either demarcating or mushing, whichever "builds the party more." The MIM focus is more outward.

mim3 for MIM:
This I consider an example of constructive advice and based on "Marxism-Leninism"'s investigation, not assumption.

All you have is a website, and a poorly written newspaper. You have not "accomplished" anything. You're in the same class as "Red Comrades".

You have only created negative "public opinion" for yourselves, your ideas and your Maoist "revolutionary" 1337 5p34k. Even people who might agree with some of your ideas, are totally repulsed by your random denunciations of people on Internet message boards of being "neo-Nazis" and "hardcore fascist activists". You are going nowhere.

mim3 for MIM:
Look at the title of the thread Red Skyscraper.

You may not have noticed, but Kim decided to change Stalin's theory on the national question, on one point--the bloodline. So it's quite natural to ask them how that helps our struggle here. I've been asking Ixabert over and over exactly what Workers World has been doing to apply Marxism-Leninism to our concrete conditions here. Hopefully Ixabert is not so stupid as to say Kim's national question is helpful here, so then there's Workers World. From my point of view, Ixabert is in a bind: the Kim theory is counter-productive and the WWP is neo-Trotskyist as Ixabert admits, so where does that leave Ixabert?

But since Ixabert and others maintain an interest in bloodline and eugenics questions, it's good to ask: "what good does that do any struggle?" I could not think of any where the Kim theory helps us. So here is where it comes up, the lynching of Ward Churchill.

mim3 for MIM:
Sure, then what do you say is the yardstick, Sensitive? I see a lot of piss and I see an implicit line that party numbers is the yardstick. But again I ask you what have the larger organizations like DSA accomplished? Show us what you regard as positive?

Frankly, I'd say you are still in denial about facts. You pretty much proved why MIM goes about things the way MIM does and now you cannot deal. But you still have one line of argument that I see--that party membership numbers matter. So go ahead, based on what analysis do you say so?

DSA is not even Marxist so that is irrelevant. The larger parties obviously have far more people who support their "line". While you do not (which you just claimed is your purpose for existance).

99% of the 'socialists' I've seen think you're just nuts, or at least partially nuts (perhaps not ideologically, but the way you behave as an organization). So you are clearly not any kind of successful, influential or "popular" party. I know you, being the MIM's "hardcore" electronic cadre, will never accept this. But that is just the reality of the situation.

You haven't been just talking about Churchill in this thread, but every other thread you speak you put his name in now like it's some cool fashion.

English, please? What does my statement have to do with this? Quit dodging.