Furthermore, the point of this discussion was to show the weakness of the other "Marxist" parties. If they're so "large"--and a couple of thousand members out of 300 million mother-fucking Yankkkees is hardly a stunning accomplishment for a 90-year-old party--then why do they get so few readers?

MIM also publishes monthly statistics of its Web traffic and has been quite severe with itself in recent years for failing to meet its own high expectations for growth in Web traffic, even though most commercial sites would envy the growth that MIM routinely gets.

Yeah, you sit around uselessly nitpicking instead of getting out and doing anything. Along the way, the door is left wide open for misogynists, homophobes, anti-Jewish bigots, Nazis, and any sort of other scum that comes along to get "left"-wing cover for its reactionary filth.

Analyzing the products of Amerikkkan kkkulture from a Maoist perspective is entirely fair game. If you have anything of value to say, say it. Bitching about MIM's credibility will get you nowhere.

Leave me out of this. I've never claimed to represent MIM officially or unofficially.

Ah yes, someone else is now telling me I should organize. I just came here to talk theory, I'm not concerned about organizing, because down here it wouldn't make much of a difference anyway. You say there are misogynists, there are none, there are a lot of women out there who still have disgusting bourgeois habits, and that must change. You say there are homophobes, there are none. We want to help these people change and became a good part of normal society. As for anti-Judaism, as a former Jew I can safely say that opposing this religion is the right thing to do, otherwise you can throw in the towel and stop calling yourself Marxist. There are no Nazis here, these are the real leftists, not the ultra-leftist trash like you, the MIMers, Che-Libs, or all the other people who crawl here and call people Nazis without reason.

No it's not, only kiddie websites do that. If MIM is so fucking popular, why doesn't it get off its ass and organize a peasant army somewhere around the world, or build homeless shelters, or do something constructive? Oh wait, you can't, you're stuck calling people "Neo-nazis" and "FBI agents," because you're not eager to do anything else. Your clique is one of the most hilarious bunch of morons I've encountered in my years.

If you want to stop being called a haven for Nazi and Fascist sympathizers then stop turning a blind eye to people like J.Jordan who claim that Nazism and Fascism are more "progressive" than other forms of capitalism, or people like Berserk who claim that not only is Third Positionism not a form of Fascism, but that it is actually anti-capitalist.

Clean up your act, and you want have to deal with this shit.

You wanna be taken seriously by the left? Stop allowing infiltration by the right to happen right under your noses.

This whole site is infested with racialism, blood line theories, anti-semitism, sexism, support for religious extremism and heterosexism. It reeks of a badly rotted Fascist corpse.

Step up and deal with it.

Read your marxism, and defend your ideas. You guys believe in Marxism-Leninism? Great. Then tear into me with your Marxist-Leninist line, and we can discuss things like Marxists that hate each other.

As it stands, most discussions here are not amongst Marxists that hate each other, they're amongst Marxists and Neo-Nazi sympathizers.

Most of the people here are traitors to the core. Even Tragic, who hates my guts (the feeling is mutual mostly), has come back surprised to see her former comrades spouting the disgusting shit coming out here.

It's time for serious cleanup.

mim3 for MIM:
So when Lenin said about Trotsky:
"And it is this Judas who beats his breast and loudly professes his loyalty to the Party, claiming that he did not grovel before the Vperyod group and the liquidators," you in the peanut gallery would have said Lenin was wrong, because Trotsky is not from the Judas family.

Then when Rosa L. and Trotsky replied that Lenin was a "Robespierre," you would have discredited Lenin's side by saying, "wow, you've lost all your credibility. Lenin is totally unrelated to Robespierre and doesn't even have any Jacobins in his bloodstream."

To which the neo-Nazis would have applauded your fine bloodline
analysis.

If you're too reading challenged to follow what is going on here, why not BUTT OUT?

mim3 for MIM:
So which one does the "Turania" article come from? Why are you dodging the question? Am I giving Northstar Compass too much credit?

When you, Sensitive, said, in this thread:
"Okay. So according to what you have posted so far: someone posted a link to an article on the "Red Comrades" website (which in all probability was copied and pasted from Northstar Compass, PLP or another source)" was it "all probability" that the Turania article came from NC or PLP or were you fantasizing again to avoid MIM's previously published criticism? Why do I have to pull your teeth to get a straight answer?


This post has been edited by mim3 on Feb 21 2005, 06:16 PM

I believe Fascism (not imperialist and not Nazism) is a step up and more "just" than capitalism, just like Marx believed feudalism was a step up and more just than slavery, or capitalism was a step up or more just than feudalism. It doesn't mean they aren't all oppressive ideologies, just that they are more progressive.

As if Che-libs is taken seriously by anyone!

And who gives a shit what the westerner left thinks? The international communist movement has no use for white liberals.

Any proof we believe in "blood line theories" or "racialism"? That we believe in "Sexism"? Do we hate the women, anglo-saxons, and jews that make up the labour aristocracy? Yes, many of us do. Do we hate oppressed women, anglo-saxons, and even some Jews who join our struggle? No, definetly not!

You criticize our support for the Iraqi resistance, Iranians, and other anti-imperialists, because they are religious, yet you cry a river of tears whenever we attack Judaism and Christianity, two truly oppressive religions! What hypocracy.

Can you name any right infiltrators?

This post has been edited by Iron Feliks on Feb 21 2005, 07:01 PM

... rather than contributing to real-world struggles. The best of your kind used to be called parlor pinks. I won't get into what the worst of your kind were called.

Take a leaf from Marx's book (any of them): theory divorced from practice is dogmatic bullshit.

Again, you single out women for the "disgusting bourgeois" label, thereby letting men off the hook.

It's "normal society" that you need to change.

Opposing all religion ("the opiate of the masses") is the Marxist thing to do. Singling out Jews, even non-religious Jews (such as Comrade Marx!), is the Nazi thing to do.

Do you really think that people in the imperialist countries can just waltz into Zimbabwe and organize a revolution?

Soon enough they'll be among neo-Nazi sympathizers only, because we Marxists are all fed up with these fucking discuSSions.

Sensitive said:

mim3 for MIM: You're right that it was a "long time ago"
and it only proves our point. (It was right after 9/11
when the neo-Nazis/FBI were looking for scapegoats.)

We published our article on this here and later in MIM Notes:
http://www.prisoncensorship.info/archive/etext/mn/sept1...tanists0916.TXT
That was September, 2001. Note the DATE and continue on below.

Sensitive said:

Sensitive said:

mim3 for MIM:
Now that you've seen the date for our published article on the
letter to FBI Tampa, realize that you Sensitive, are the only
one putting forward a conspiracy theory. Instead of dealing with
the published evidence, you are saying we published it to conspire
to have conflicts with you, RAF, Mazdak years later. It does not occur to you
how improbable that is.

On the other hand, it does seem probable to you that MIM had a
"rival email list" among Satanists no less, this despite the fact
that if you check around in alt.satanism, you'll find out that most
Satanists figured out the neo-Nazi/FBI connection LONG AGO.
It's only pig-headed people like you spreading all kinds of fantasies
who do not get it.

Fascism is a form of government, not a mode of production. Fascism fully embraces the bourgeois state apparatus, just more regulation is implemented.

mim3 for MIM:
True, but CyM is here in the open with Trotarchist ideas and takes a beating for that accountably. The neo-Nazi symps make blanket statements of fact which are in fact fantasy and they do it without owning up. CyM has never tried to hide his/her line. Why can't the neo-Nazi symps do the same?

Meanwhile I don't hear CyM calling for banning MIM. So unless you want a preach-to-the-choir situation, I'd say CyM's point has more practical meaning at this moment.

In other words, this is a discussion about the nature of this group at this time. Neither Trotarchism nor neo-Nazism are going to disappear soon. What you can control is whether you're going to stand by and let people go off into fantasy and things like banning MIM.

It's the Bu$h administration that openly said during the campaign that "reality-based" politics is dead. The status quo can afford that. We on the bottom cannot.

mim3 for MIM:

I'm still waiting Sensitive. I TOLD YOU IF YOU FORMALLY BAN MIM, WE WILL RESPECT IT!

I counter-propose that Sensitive and Berserk be relieved of duties. Sensitive should be allowed to continue posting and not allowed back into any mod/admin duties till a few months after thorough self-criticism for fantasies contributing to neo-Nazism.