From "socialism4ever" on the forum
http://www.ernesto-guevara.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3434&st=0&#entry29787
said in January 2005:
"If MIM beleives that the majority of amerikans
have no revolutionary potential, and that
revolution is impossible in the USA, then what is
the point of MIM?
What is the point? If you beleive revolution can't
ever happen in this country, what is the point of
existing?
. . .
OUR IDEOLOGY IS MARXISM-LENINISM-MAOISM
OUR VANGUARD IS THE REVOLUTIONARY COMMUNIST PARTY
OUR LEADER IS CHAIRMAN AVAKIAN"
mim3 for MIM: The point is to end exploitation.
The point is not to win a U.$. popularity contest for the Avakian cult.
Depending on which of the above two goals I had
--ending exploitation or getting a persynality cult some fans--
I would do different things.
For MIM, part of the goal is eliminating the labor aristocracy class as a class,
(not as people), as a strata
of the petty-bourgeoisie. For the RCP=U$A, the point is to rally the labor aristocracy for Avakian.
Ending exploitation dictates that I do "my share" as Lenin said--globally.
He didn't say do "my share" "only if you are not outnumbered." He did not
say RCP=U$A's capitulationism giving up the goal was ever justified
in any strategic situation. And Lenin never said the "truth" would win
over the exploiters, unlike Avakian today.
That's promoting pacifism--another aspect of capitulationism when pacifism
calls itself Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, even if mixed in with other scatter-brained
revolutionary imagery.
The above is typical of the RCP=U$A members and circles' gross pragmatism.
They just never know when it is appropriate to discuss goals and when strategy.
Other observant members of the above forum noticed that this
persyn who has been around awhile in Internet forums has a name that opposes
going to communism. That pretty much explains what the RCP=U$A is all about,
social-imperialism and it's evident in how their circles name themselves.
This persyn and other RCP=U$A fans are social-democrats not only in name
as with "socialism4ever." They oppose Mao on his polemics with the Italians
and others on having "strategic confidence" in the Asian, Latin American and African exploited
and oppressed, that there is never any reason to rally the exploiters.
The Eurocommunists did not listen and look where they ended up despite winning popularity
for a while. Gorbachev was wildly popular in the united $tates too, so the real question,
to socialism4ever is "what's your point?"--that Amerikans cannot fight as a minority
in their context but as people doing their share in the international context? So
they should give up? It's either rally the exploiters or cease existing says socialism4ever?
Finally, below you will see we already answered this question years ago
and socialism4ever does not read and respond--again typical for RCP=U$A
circles, because of the line that RCP=U$A has rallying the labor aristocracy
philistines.
[From the "RCP-USA"'s www.2changetheworld.info on September 30th 2002:]
Hello,
Sorry that this is not really a thorough answer to
your question, but the main difference is that RCP
wants revolution, while MIM lumps together the
people with the rulers & is therefore filled with
disdain for them (in fact they think that all
white proletarians are either really petit
bourgeois or at least labour aristocracy -- RCP
says there is a multinational proletariat within
the borders of the US)
MIM sees no revolution here in the future at all.
Please check the debates on this site between
supporters of RCP & those of MIM in the
'Liberation Of Oppressed Nationalities' forum.
- Laddo Kecxoveli
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mim3@mim.org replies for MIM:
Of course MIM believes there is going to be a revolution here,
but the real question is why the "RCP-USA" keeps saying:
"MIM sees no revolution here in the future at all."
Check it out: why would the "RCP-USA" say this
about MIM unless the "RCP-USA"'s definition of revolution REQUIRES that the majority
of forces of revolution come from within U.$. borders and
NOT fighting for national liberation (which they
oppose with the possible exception of Blacks)--i.e. white participation in
nine digit figures.
The answer is that they plan on fighting AGAINST a revolution
that would really bring down imperialism,
and this is their way of making that promise. The "RCP-USA" is
promising to fend off any attack against U.$. imperialism
on its soil. The key is their definition of the word "revolution."
Their very definition of revolution EXCLUDES what happened in eastern
Germany as one example, which is one reason why they have ridiculed Stalin right
on the Internet. It's the "RCP-USA"'s patriotism that creates the
definition of "revolution" that it uses. It's objectively white nationalist,
whether the persyn spouting the "RCP" line is Carl Dix or not.
That's why it's important to hold out for the truth of anti-imperialist, anti-parasitic
revolution. The bottom line is that the "RCP-USA" is not going to
the same place as MIM. The principal economic content of the principal contradiction is the
struggle against super-exploitation. MIM plans on ending super-exploitation. The "RCP-USA"
does not. That's why it always refuses to answer how much surplus-labor
the U$A is sucking in TOTAL from the Third World and how that impacts the
OVERALL class structure of the united $tates. They have to fudge that question
or answer that question partially so that their followers don't notice in order
to maintain their definition of revolution as coming principally from white workers
(who are the bulk of what they call the "multinational proletariat") within u.$. borders.
They disagree with MIM, because we of the Marx, Lenin, Stalin and Mao tradition said,
to the followers of Hitler in the 1930s and 1940s: you had your chance to see the light, but you
kept on with your imperialist rampaging. Now the
solution to your problem is going to come from both inside and OUTSIDE Germany. As
we all know, Soviet troops in Germany itself were the MAIN force of the solution to the
problem. However, the "RCP-USA" whines in sympathy for the German majority that backed
Hitler. Moreover, after all the decades of continuous imperialist marauding by the united
$tates backed by the imperialist country majority,
the phony internationalists who are really social-patriots of the "RCP-USA" have the
gall to say the international proletariat, the truly multi-national proletariat of the
world does not have the right to put down the u.$. imperialists and their allies
themselves at the source. The "RCP-USA" believes the international proletariat has to confine
itself to revolutions outside the united $tates and not do what the Red Army did and finish off
Hitler and Nazism at the source. We have news for the "RCP-USA": even with you and various
other phony communists on its side, imperialism is doomed.